Locals in road speed plea

alan drayton way

A dangerous crossing?

A Bishopstoke Mum battling to reduce the speed limit along Alan Drayton Way claims lives will be lost if the current speed limit remains in place.

At the November meeting of the  Bishopstoke, Fair Oak  and Horton Heath Area Committee, Hunters Way resident Natalie Stanfield branded the 40 mph stretch of the B3037 as a potential killer saying it  was “only a matter of time before there will be a fatality along the road” while speaking  in support of a motion proposed by Cllr Angela  Roling.

Ms Stanfield who has collected almost 1000 signatures in support of her campaign told the committee hat her house was just 3 feet away from the road and recounted an episode in 2006 when a car had knocked down her fence and crashed into her kiddie’s playhouse.

She also drew attention to data on the Crashmap.co.uk website which showed there had been 17 accidents along Alan Drayton Way in the last five years and 37 accidents in the same period along the entire length of the road – although the website also records there was only one slight accident on Alan Drayton Way last year.

In presenting the motion Cllr Roling thanked her friend Ms Stanfield for her work in collecting the signatures and explained how the 40 mph section of the B3037 started at the Toby Carvery and extended to Stoke Wood Surgery with schools, shop and several major junctions along its route.

The committee unanimously gave their support to the motion although Cllr Mignot said he thought a reduction in the speed limit would not be enough to slow down traffic along the road.

Cllr Roling will now forward the issue to the County Council.

Although a large number of residents support the campaign not everyone is in favour of a reduction in the speed limit.

One Itchen Vale resident was adamant that reducing the speed limit was unnecessary and bad for business claiming that the refuge crossings along Alan Drayton were confusing and dangerous.

The local businessman thought an extra pelican crossing would be a safer option.

Another local resident Rob Byrne, contacted Eastleigh News to say he thought that lowering the speed limit would be “a pointless waste of time”.

“Roads have their own natural speed limit set by the feel of the road. Alan Drayton Way is a wide, smooth road with good sightlines and in a westerly direction at least a good downhill gradient. No amount of 30mph signs will slow people down; some far exceed the 40mph limit as it is.”

Mr Byrne thought a couple of mini-roundabouts at busy road junctions would serve to slow down traffic and at least …

“Give the residents of Olympic Way, Mitre Copse and Abbotsbury a fighting chance of getting onto the main road safely in the first place”.

Eastleigh Police have recently launched ‘community speedwatch’ a scheme that residents can use to monitor speeds on the roads that cause concern to them.

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  21 comments for “Locals in road speed plea

  1. mm
    Eastleigh Xpress
    November 28, 2011 at 7:24 pm

    A great example of the use of government open source data by local people to address issues in their community – although I am not sure I would agree with the actual conclusions they drew from the data!

  2. Peter Stewart
    November 28, 2011 at 8:28 pm

    Shame on Bishopstoke for approving a reduction in speed limit from 40 mph to 30 mph. Contrast this with the decision by Shawford Parish Council to keep the 40 mph speed limit on Otterbourne Road in June. They took the right decision in a politically correct age, when so many councils are afraid to do anything except take expedient decisions. Are you listening Eastleigh and Hampshire Councils?

    The outdated “Speed Kills” policy has impacted badly on our economy by slowing traffic. It has also produced tragic consequences! Road fatalities were falling annually by 7% before its introduction in 1993, since when they have fallen by only 3%. That equates to 10,000 extra fatalities! This statistic has been public knowledge since 2003 yet councils still seem intent on imposing dangerously low speed limits, sometimes as low as 20 mph!

    The chances of being killed or seriously injured have nothing to do with speed limits but depend on impact speed (which is usually far lower due to emergency braking), vehicle design, primary and secondary impacts and a host of other variables beyond the control of speed limits. People are even killed at walking speed.

    Recent European research suggests lower speed limits encourage greater risk taking and a catastrophic combination of careless pedestrians, cyclists and distracted “speedometer watchers”. This explains the embarrassing accident trend in Portsmouth’s 20 mph experiment.

    If children’s safety (really) needs improving in Bishopstoke, then Eastleigh Council has a statutory obligation to do it. However as you see, this does not mean empty gestures like inappropriate 30 mph speed limits, but real road safety measures such as driver education and road safety classes in schools.

  3. Peter Stewart
    November 28, 2011 at 8:51 pm

    p.s. Between 2005 and 2010 there were 17 serious accidents on the main road between Fair Oak and Eastleigh. Only 3 occurred on the 40 mph stretches but 14 occurred on the 30 mph stretches! So much for 30 mph speed limits being “safer”. This confirms the latest European research which every councillor should be aware of before they start blundering into unknown territory with their do-gooder attitudes and cotton wool policies. Mark my words! If this speed limit is lowered, it will actually CAUSE an increase in serious accidents to young children (both pedestrians and cyclists).

  4. Peter Stewart
    November 28, 2011 at 8:52 pm

    p.p.s. The photo caption shows a sign saying “LOOK RIGHT” but the car is coming from the LEFT! How dangerous is that!?

  5. mm
    Eastleigh Xpress
    November 28, 2011 at 10:24 pm

    Yes, A child being hit by a car doing 30 mph isn’t going to come off well.
    I used Crashmap to check on the A335 from the bishy bridge up to Rowles garage – so that’s Romsey Road/Leigh Road. It’s all 30 mph and there has been 100 crashes since 2006 – five serious and one fatal.
    Perhaps the solution is a 20 mph limit?

  6. Richard Hein
    November 29, 2011 at 7:04 am

    I wonder if the local businessman lives by this road, has to cross it everyday and does he have to walk out of his back gate to see the carnage after an accident happens

  7. Lianda
    November 29, 2011 at 10:25 am

    As a local resident, I welcome this reduction in the speed limit to 30 mph. Every day I cross this road to take my children to school using the refuge island pictured above. To stand there, essentially in the middle of the road, with no protection around you whilst cars, buses and lorries speed by you on both sides leaves you feeling vulnerable and at the mercy of every driver on the road.
    I have lived here for five years now and, in that time, have witnessed a number of incidents including a car leaving the road and smashing through my neighbour’s fence causing utter devastation and another car smashing straight into the refuge island above. These are both considered minor, or slight, incidents as, luckily, no one was hurt. Had either of these taken place at a different time of day the outcome could have been very different. What the figures on Crashmap don’t cover are those incidents, near misses etc, which haven’t been reported – a school friend of my daughter was almost run over on the pedestrian crossing further down the road as a driver failed to stop for the red light, a cyclist was knocked off his bike on to the grass verge as a car clipped him whilst trying to overtake by the refuge island. Again, no one was hurt or injured here but that is due to luck rather than anything else.
    Being hit by a vehicle at 40 mph means that you are 4 times more likely to die or sustain life-changing injuries than if you are hit at 30 mph. Do we really want to wait for a fatality before we do something? Isn’t it worth taking pro-active action to reduce the risks to pedestrians, cyclists and other road users? I think it is and that’s why I’m behind Nat Stanfield, Cllr Rolling and this campaign 100%!

  8. mm
    Eastleigh Xpress
    November 29, 2011 at 1:05 pm

    I can honestly say I would not want my kids to use that crossing – irrespective of it being 30 or 40 mph.I think Cllr Roling should be asking HCC for a pelican crossing.

  9. Peter Stewart
    November 29, 2011 at 3:14 pm

    Yes, A child being hit by a car doing 30 mph isn’t going to come off well.
    I used Crashmap to check on the A335 from the bishy bridge up to Rowles garage – so that’s Romsey Road/Leigh Road. It’s all 30 mph and there has been 100 crashes since 2006 – five serious and one fatal.
    Perhaps the solution is a 20 mph limit?

    “Necessity is the plea for every infringement of human freedom…the argument of tyrants…the creed of slaves” (William Pitt).

    Fittingly for the country with the most CCTV cameras (and tyrants) Britain was first to impose speed limits (10 mph in 1861, lowered 4 years later to 4 mph in the country and 2 mph in towns).

    Now the tyrants want to impose 30 mph speed limits along Alan Drayton Way and 20 mph speed limits across Winchester City. Their anti-car policy is damaging local trade.

    The flawed “Speed Kills” policy imposed since 1993 (mainly for speed camera revenue) has depressed the annual fall in road deaths from 7.1% to 2.8% and killed 10,000 people! Fewer police, more speed cameras and dangerously low speed limits are no excuse for a Council’s statutory duty to promote road safety.

    Britain should divert the £120 million wasted annually on reducing speed, to improving hospital hygiene which kills 200 people a day (20 times more than road accidents). Once the figures are publicized, Councils must abandon the “Speed Kills” fallacy or eventually face the spectre of corporate manslaughter charges.

  10. November 29, 2011 at 6:45 pm

    Having more police patrol cars and motorcycles would help the situation on our roads.

    All too often we rely on speed cameras and traffic management measures to control traffic and the subsequent flow.

    If there were more police deployed for instance at peak times inconjunction with rush hour for instance, it is my opinion that motorists’ discipline on the roads would more likely to be a lot better than it is now.

    Lowering speed limits is not the answer to all of the problems now being experienced. It may keep the enviromentalists happy, but such measures employed such as lower speeds and pinch points along with speed humps cause traffic congestion and bad tempers. I write this from experience as someone whose work has taken me across the south of England and London by car

  11. Peter Stewart
    November 29, 2011 at 7:01 pm

    To illustrate the absurdity of the low speed argument, only today there was ANOTHER accident on the main road between Eastleigh and Fair Oak near the pelican crossing at Riverside. THIS OCCURRED IN A 30 MPH ZONE! So what was the cause…the 30 mph speed limit? Perhaps we should lower it to 20 mph! This is the argument of those who are now fighting the paper dragon that lives on Alan Drayton Way!

    Accident at Riverside 29 Nov 2011

    • mm
      Eastleigh Xpress
      November 29, 2011 at 7:27 pm

      I hope no one was hurt today and that ambulance was just a precaution. Sadly, that exact part of the 30mph section of the B3037 was the scene some years ago of a fatality.
      It is also just a few yards away from a ‘Safety camera’.

  12. Seamus
    November 29, 2011 at 7:55 pm

    What is failed to be mentioned, at least one of the accidents involved an intoxicated driver. 40,30 still intoxicated and bad driver. Keep it 40. Cyclist should have been using the cycle path provided.

  13. Peter Stewart
    November 29, 2011 at 8:58 pm

    I hope no one was hurt today and that ambulance was just a precaution. Sadly, that exact part of the 30mph section of the B3037 was the scene some years ago of a fatality.
    It is also just a few yards away from a ‘Safety camera’.

    Would that be the “safety” camera which was blasted by a shotgun a year or so back? You would be surprised at the number of people who have been killed as a result of those infernal money spinning cameras. One thing is for sure, this crash today happened in a 30 mph speed limit. I’m thinking of doing a petition to have that part of the road lowered to a walking pace. Come to think of it, it already is!

  14. Nick Weavers
    November 29, 2011 at 10:26 pm

    p.p.s.The photo caption shows a sign saying “LOOK RIGHT” but the car is coming from the LEFT!How dangerous is that!?

    The Look Right is referring to the direction the cars are coming from in the lane you are just about to cross, which is quite obviously correct.

  15. Paul Samuel
    November 29, 2011 at 10:58 pm

    Peter Stewart, you really do need to get yourself a hobby of some kind.

    What we have here is a positive story about a caring member of the local community that wants to do something to improve road safety in the area.

    Yet you’ve chosen to put an incredible amount of time and effort into dismissing her efforts, do you REALLY feel that strongly about it? I find that difficult to believe.

    A cursory glance at the message boards on this website will demonstrate that, in fact, you are nothing more than a bog standard troll. You are clearly posting contentious remarks on this and other threads in a tragic attempt to provoke a reaction.

    If only you could come out from behind your keyboard and channel your energy into making something happen in the real world, like the good people behind the campaign that you criticise.

    Well done Ms Stanfield, and all those who supported her campaign. Thankfully there are people like you that care about your community.
    !!

    Peter Stewart (real name? sounds made up), shame on YOU.

    • mm
      Eastleigh Xpress
      November 29, 2011 at 11:37 pm

      Well, I can confirm Peter Stewart is a real person and every site has a resident Troll so I guess he is ours. 🙄

      But his point that reducing the speed limit is not in itself going to stop the possibility of fatalities is still valid IMO.

      Cllr Mignot made the same point.

      I have no problem with reducing the speed limit to 30 mph – I signed a petition in my my area – Newtown – for a reduction to 20 mph (which was rejected by the council).

      But I think an extra pelican crossing might be a better option. At 30 mph that refuge is still a risky proposition.

      Thing is changing over 40 signs for 30 signs is the cheaper option.

      Not that there isn’t the money to put into providing a safe crossing – there is plenty of money sloshing around in the developers contributions pot.

      I think residents need to pay a bit more attention to the uses this money is being put to.

      What would you prefer. A safe crossing or a BMX track? I mean both are desirable without question (unless you happen to live opposite – sorry Martin!)But what is more important?

  16. Peter Stewart
    November 30, 2011 at 6:38 pm

    The Look Right is referring to the direction the cars are coming from in the lane you are just about to cross, which is quite obviously correct.

    Nick, the problem is this written order on the road blatantly contradicts every kerb drill which has ever been given to pedestrians. It is not enough to look right before stepping into the road, yet that is what this powerful written order does.

  17. Peter Stewart
    November 30, 2011 at 8:36 pm

    A cursory glance at the message boards on this website will demonstrate that, in fact, you are nothing more than a bog standard troll. You are clearly posting contentious remarks on this and other threads in a tragic attempt to provoke a reaction.

    Yo Samuel! Do I sense a bit of trollism? Under EU anti-discrimination legislation, it is an offence to discriminate against trolls. Trolls are beneficial to the community. They prove it has not died from boredom and apathy!

  18. Peter Stewart
    March 2, 2012 at 9:35 pm

    No words can express the horror which happened in Hamble Lane yesterday when a toddler was killed in a collision with a motorcycle.

    In view of the fact that this ghastly accident occurred on a 30 mph stretch of road, I urge parents who live near Alan Drayton Way not to be lulled into a false sense of security by the idea of a 30 mph limit.

    I feel the issue is too sensitive at this moment to discuss in depth at a political level, so I shall simply urge Councillors and local campaigners to reconsider most carefully before pressing for a 30 mph limit.

    Meanwhile the heart of every parent reaches out to the bereaved family at this desperately sad time.

  19. Stephen Slominski
    March 6, 2012 at 11:24 am

    Nice to see our ex-cabinet minister MP bolstering flagging public support by claiming credit for a speed reduction along Alan Drayton Way.

    Things must be worse than I thought.

    And whats with Natalie Stanfield appearing alongside him in Focus? Is she a Lib Dem activist? I think we should be told.

    I do hope this campaign wasn’t just a manufactured cynical exercise to raise the profile of a potential candidate.

    Come to think of it. That photo almost looks as if Mr Huhne and Ms Stanfield are giving Cllr Roling the thumbs down.

    What could this all mean????
    Bishopstoke Focus spring 2012 Alan Drayton Way

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