The “Beer, Baccy & Crumpet” party candidate…

Ray Hall

Ray Hall: the Beer, Baccy & Crumpet Party candidate for the Eastleigh by-election

Already making a name for himself, 73 year old Ray Hall, the “Beer, Baccy & Crumpet” (or BB&C) party candidate for the Eastleigh by-election, was in Hedge End village centre today, to talk to the media that had gathered to meet the Foreign Secretary, William Hague…

A disaffected Conservative, who revealed himself to be the father of local Conservative, Jerry Hall, Ray said that he’d found the morning’s events  in Hedge End worthwhile, despite having had only 10 minutes notice of William Hagues visit and a mad rush to get himself ready and get down to the village…

When asked why he had decided to put down a deposit and stand in the election, Ray explained;

I’ve been a Tory voter for 50 years and I’m disillusioned and deeply concerned about the future of the country. I can’t see any of the other parties wanting to, or having the ability to get us out of the mess that we are in. We’ve got deep austerity which is getting worse. Taxes are going up, inflation is going up, wages are going down, jobs are being lost. Theres no chance of any growth under this regime and the coalition seem to have no idea of how to get us out of the mess, other than by cutting jobs. But cutting jobs is counter-productive and is going to create more unemployment, more inflation. It’ll create more debt, it’s an ever turning spiral, going back into itself.

A silver-smith, who specialises in retro silver photo frames, Ray continued.

I only decided, about 10 days ago, that I was going to stand on my own. I was aware of the beer situation and I cobbled the name together and if you look at it, if you abbreviate it, its BB&C. Every time somebody sees BBC, they’ll now think Beer Baccy & Crumpet rather than British Broadcasting Corporation…

But that’s not where the abbreviations stop, a flyer being dispensed by Ray Hall revealed that “Crumpet” is also an acronym, highlighting Ray’s concern for issues besides those immediately apparent in the name of his party.

When asked about the T, which related to Taxation and the campaign to re-instate the 10p tax rate, Ray explained;

The Labour party have copied that from me. This leaflet was printed in Hedge End, three days ago, before the Labour party decided to bring it out in their latest manifesto. It has taken them 48 hours to crib my idea of re-instating the 10p tax rate, which …Gordon Brown replaced with a 20p tax in 2007. That was a situation from which the Labour Government have never recovered. It was the start of their decline. It wasn’t the most stupid policy that they ever innovated. One of the other things that he did was he sold about half-a-tonne of gold. Gold that he sold for half a billion pounds would be worth about a billion and half now. He lost about a billion pounds…

Clearly having anticipated the next question, Ray produced a betting slip to show that he was confident enough to bet £5 on him winning the by-election, at odds of 1000 to 1. “The drinks are on me in a fortnight”, he confidently proclaimed.

Although the list of candidates was announced only a couple of days ago, the “Beer, Baccy & Crumpet” party has already caught the public imagination with Ray explaining;

I’ve got lots of support, I’ve had phone-calls from Yorkshire, from Weston-Super-Mare saying ‘what a brilliant idea, we’ll support you’. Its through that quirky name that people are getting in touch with me.

Moving on to local issues, I asked Ray Hall about the proposed housing developments in the area, he said;

Its a Government edict that 5000 houses should be built in the Borough. The Lib Dems have sourced the sites. They’ve got to be built somewhere, what the choice of sites is I don’t know but they’ve got to be built somewhere. Housing is a terrible issue in this country. People have got to live somewhere. It’s up to the Conservatives and the Liberals to make a decision on where they should go. Wherever they go it’s going to be “Not In My Back-Yard”, isn’t it, but they’ve got to be built…

Asked about pubs, Ray said;

That’s what my campaign is about. One pub closes every day in the UK. That’s 400 a year. A loss of 2000 jobs a year. This is my main proposal. Its the green shoots of my policy that will take the party forward nationally in the next 12 months and by the general election in two years time, hopefully, we’ll be a national party.

Pubs are an essential business within the community. Once you lose them it is very difficult to replace them. They’re gone. A pub develops a character over the years, like this one [n.b. The Barleycorn in Hedge End] You couldn’t build this now could you, it has evolved. Yes you can build new pubs, but they tend to be sterilised, almost like a school, they haven’t got that boozy atmosphere about them. We live in a society of free enterprise. If there’s an opportunity to build a pub somewhere and somebody thinks the business is there then build it, but I’d recommend that we keep the old ones going as long as we can.

On the issues of smoking, and smoking in pubs, Ray explained.

Smoking obviously is a health issue. I used to be a heavy smoker myself. I previously worked for Gitanes and Gauloises. I’m not promoting smoking, but my attitude is that smoking is a legal pastime. If people chose to smoke, the Government choose to take the tax from them at an enormous rate then I think they should be treated with respect. At the moment they have to leave the pub premises, smoke in the wind, the rain, in an area that you couldn’t call a building, in an area that might have one side as a windbreak. Personally I think that smokers should be allowed in a smoke-controlled area within the building, if its possible to do that. Provided it doesn’t inconvenience other users and be adverse to the health of other people in the vicinity. It wouldn’t be suitable in restaurants, near to diners, but in the old pubs you used to get a snug, a smoke-room in some of them. If you could have a separate room that was extracted, that would be better for the  smokers and it wouldn’t affect the other people that were in there. It would also help the business of the pub, because a lot of pubs closed because people couldn’t smoke there. Old guys like myself, we like a fag and a pint and we can’t do it under the current regime. But we do pay massive taxes…

Probing further, Eastleigh News asked if Ray still smoked himself. Ray answered;

Occasionally I smoke a cigar. I worked in the tobacco trade as a retailer and as a representative for Gitanes and Gauloises, for 12 years. I stopped smoking 30 years ago, for health reasons. I’m 73 now, fit as a fiddle, I can jump the garden gate. I do enjoy the occasional cigar. I would like to walk into a pub have a pint and have a puff on a cigar, or even my pipe occasionally. I would not class myself as an addict, just an occasional smoker. I’m standing for greater respect for smokers who pay massive taxes.

Returning to some of the other big issues of the day, I asked Ray about Europe. He said;

I believe we are part of a family of 27 countries. In my family there is often strife, as there is at the moment over this election. When you get 27 people in a family, you’re obviously going to get even more squabbles. I think the benefit of being within the family, far outweigh the problems that you get if you are ostracized and forced out of the family. I think that we should stay in Europe and fight our corner, put our cause forward, be friends with the rest of Europe and we would enjoy the solidarity and freedom of 27 countries. Enjoy, their culture. At the same time, I would not want to see millions of Bulgarians and Romanians coming here and living on benefits, a situation that doesn’t actually benefit the indigenous population. I am not racially prejudiced. I’ve got three children biologically, a step child and one adopted Indian son. There’s no way that I am a racially motivated person. I am a family man.

On Gay marriage, Ray explained;

I share the view that it’s a minority issue and that there are other issues that time should be spent on that would be more worthwhile to the country, given the state that we find ourselves in at the moment. Personally I’m not interested myself one way or the other. I think that its up to the individual cleric to make a decision. Its up to the establishment to make a decision.

Now in full flow, Ray volunteered some thoughts on some other subjects;

One of my proposals would be to get on and build the new runway for Heathrow. It would create hundreds or thousands of jobs and create enormous revenue for the country. The only people that are opposed to it are the “cocks” that vote Conservative that live under the flightpath. The reason that those people matter is because the MPs that represent them are Conservative and they are frightened of losing their seat. They are not looking at the situation from an economic point of view. They are looking at it from a constitutional point of view and a consistency point of view as regards their own position.

The development that I would be opposed to is the new High Speed Rail Link, costing £30 billion to shorten the time of train journeys by 30 minutes. Does it matter…? There are more important areas where money could be spent. That rail link cuts through some of the most beautiful countryside in the country. It cuts out the heart of England.

A policy that I do have, for anybody with a Bank Account, is that if you get into an unfortunate situation and go slightly overdrawn and the bank slap a £30 charge on you for being a couple of quid overdrawn, provided you repay that couple of quid in the next couple of days you will get that penalty charge back.

Asked about candidates from the other minor parties and the Monster Raving Loonies in particular, Ray said;

I think they’re a bit mental personally, but they’re entitled to their own opinion. Good luck to them…!

I met the NHS Action Party Candidate, Dr MacLennan. A really nice guy. His proposal is that there should be more National Health, that the National Health should expand. I agree with that, but I find it very difficult to believe that we can afford to do so. It does need modifying but I don’t think it can be expanded at the moment.

Interestingly, Ray Hall lives adjacent to the property that is currently being used by the Southern Parishes Conservative Club in Hedge End, which is itself being used by the Conservative party as their campaign HQ.  His house overlooks their car park and he has put banners there previously, to get his message across. A self-confessed renegade Conservative, the next couple of weeks in Hedge End promise to be even more interesting than we had first thought…

There are a total of fourteen candidates standing in the Eastleigh By-election. Here is the list:

1.Colin Bex – Wessex Regionalists
2.David Bishop –Elvis Loves Pets Party
3.Jim Duggan – The Peace Party
4.Ray Hall – Beer,Baccy and Crumpet Party
5.Howling “Laud” Hope – Monster Raving Loony William Hill Party
6.Maria Hutchings – Conservative Party
7.Dianne James –UKIP
8.Iain McClenann – National Health Action
9.Kevin Milburn – Christian Party “Proclaiming Christ’s Lordship”
10.John O’Farrell – Labour Party
11.Daz Proctor – Trade Unionists and Socialists Against Cuts
12.Danny Stupple –Independent
13.Michael Thornton – Liberal Democrat Party
14.Michael Walters – The English Democrats – “Putting England First!”

Ray Turner

Formerly a Civil-Servant and IT Specialist at ONS, Ray is now semi-retired and spare-time self-employed. He contributes to Eastleigh News on a voluntary basis and is also an administrator for the site. 

  26 comments for “The “Beer, Baccy & Crumpet” party candidate…

  1. rigel
    February 16, 2013 at 8:04 pm

    His policy ideas make more sense that any major party !

    I am trying to organize a hustings for all the ‘minor’ contenders

    on the 22cnd at pavilion on the park but am having trouble

    contacting them all – Ray please come ! – Eastleigh Express do

    you have any of their contact details ?

  2. Truth
    February 16, 2013 at 10:52 pm

    I wish Ray all the best in his campaign, however it is important to be accurate and as this is the second time that it has been reported on this website please note that the Conservative campaign HQ is not being operated from Hedge End. It is based in Eastleigh Town Centre.

    • mm
      Eastleigh Xpress
      February 16, 2013 at 11:39 pm

      Ok great, thanks for putting us straight. Where is it located please?

    • February 17, 2013 at 12:25 am

      Point of fact, the Tories have two HQ’s. One on the first floor of Mitchell House in Eastleigh and the other being the Tory club in Hedge End. I have been to both so can confirm.

      • February 17, 2013 at 12:47 am

        The imprint on the bottom of the Conservative election leaflet that dropped through my letterbox today gives the campaign address as “The Hill, Upper Northam Close, Hedge End, SO30 4BB.”

        Which is the address of the Southern Parishes Conservative Club

        • Peter Stewart
          February 17, 2013 at 7:19 am

          The imprint needs to show a “correspondence address” for the person promoting the leaflet but this need not be the campaign HQ or the address of the person.

  3. mm
    Eastleigh Xpress
    February 17, 2013 at 12:58 am

    Thank god we’ve sorted that out.

  4. John
    February 17, 2013 at 7:01 am

    Sounds like a bloke at the bar having a bit of a rant – but I suppose the clue is in his “party” name.

    Having said that, despite the amusement, could he not have put his time and £500 into something more worthwhile and more likely of success?

  5. rigel
    February 17, 2013 at 7:26 am

    He is getting involved in politics John ,using his rights as a free man , speaking up for what he believes in , and he may not be as smart as those PPE from Oxford types but he has better judgement because he has probably had a real life –

    he is gonna take votes away from the lib dems and UKIP

    and I want him at the hustings for minor contenders !

  6. Peter Stewart
    February 17, 2013 at 9:04 am

    Ray is on the right lines in attacking the Conservatives. But surely all his concerns are being adequately addressed by UKIP (mass house building, immigration etc).

    I find it strange that with everything that has happened in recent years, Ray should still believe we are better off staying in Europe to “fight our corner”. Isn’t that the Conservative message?

    I’m sure the Conservatives are delighted with Ray’s “party”, because it might be thought to split the UKIP vote and prevent a UKIP victory.

    But I don’t think so. Judging from the MASSIVE positive response to UKIP which I’ve seen going door to door, for the first time since 1994, I can honestly say, I believe UKIP IS GOING TO WIN.

  7. February 17, 2013 at 10:49 am

    Your final remark is interesting Pete, where you speak of a “MASSIVE positive response to UKIP”.

    I reckon you’re right

  8. rigel
    February 17, 2013 at 12:15 pm

    UKIP would be a disaster for Eastleigh , all the MP would do is argue against Europe which is a moot point in or out of EU we are in a mess

  9. February 17, 2013 at 1:35 pm

    Disagree Rigel. Maria would vanish into the back-benches, lost amongst all the other grey suits to be heard from occasionally. Any fight that we see now would quickly be whipped out of her.

    Diane Jones, on the other hand, would be something of a novelty in Parliament. A UKIP MP. Diane would be much higher profile than Maria could ever dream of. Diane would get more attention because Europe is becoming a mainstream issue and yes, although she’d argue against Europe, she’d be very well placed to argue Eastleigh’s corner too.

    We briefly saw the benefits of having a high profile MP when Chris Huhne was in the Cabinet. Pity he let us down…

    But I admit that a “Beer, Baccy & Crumpet” MP could be just as high profile and just as effective an MP for Eastleigh, given the chance, for a couple of years anyway…

    We’ll be doing this all over again in two years time (groan!)…

  10. rigel
    February 17, 2013 at 4:21 pm

    Hmmm….., problem is Europe is just not an important issue – i agree it being so corrupt is bad , and I love what farage does in the EU parliament but our parliament is just as corrupt. It is a wedge issue, and Cameron as ever has taken this delay and pray stance – The Germans the french the italians etc all want a Tobin tax , there is the important issue, we have to sort the economy out and none in the UK are brave enough to upset the applecart . UKIP panders to the xenophobe and that is dangerous, our situation is more the city of london’s fault than europes – Maria will stick out like a saw thumb on those benches and she will represent us well , it is the worse slap in the face to the fib dems and it could well destroy the coalition – whoopee !

    a UKIP win will give the Eastleigh MP no influence and it will affirm some peoples negative views towards immigrants

    in , out , shake it all about you do the uki p uki and turn around……

  11. February 17, 2013 at 4:40 pm

    Any of the minor parties would upset the applecart (as you put it). Your hustings event on the 22nd will be well worth attending.

  12. rigel
    February 17, 2013 at 5:53 pm

    Yes because we need to dump the main 3 asap, so how the hell do I get in touch with them !

    • February 17, 2013 at 6:39 pm

      Rigel, get out on the street and speak with them. They can be found in Eastleigh most days and would welcome the chance to chat with you. I have contact details of some of the minors and I will forward them to you is you email me.

  13. Peter Stewart
    February 17, 2013 at 7:58 pm

    The three main parties have no idea what is about to hit them in Eastleigh.

    Diane James is about to rewrite British political history in 11 days time and we can ALL share in this UKIP SUCCESS.

    Those who want change (and who doesn’t) should NOT vote Conservative because that will just split the UKIP vote. The Conservatives cannot win in Eastleigh.

    Rigel, I respect your comments, as indeed I respect all the comments on Eastleigh News, but when Diane James is elected, she will be more than just one MP in Parliament, she will be a symbol of popular rebellion against the fat cat globalists who have taken over all three main parties.

    I think it would true to say that despite our differences, we are united in one thing: We despise the way in which our elected leaders have sacrificed British jobs for artificially cheap foreign labour. We are ALL being affected by this.

    I say “artificially cheap foreign labour” just to remind those who may be new to Eastleigh News, that the cost of “cheap” foreign labour is actually ENORMOUS. There is nothing more costly than mass unemployment of British workers, esp

  14. February 17, 2013 at 8:17 pm

    You love what Farage does? Take a look at this –

  15. February 17, 2013 at 11:27 pm
  16. Peter Stewart
    February 18, 2013 at 8:40 am

    PIANOMAN3 – Such attacks on Nigel Farage are NOT credible as they come from an apologist of an institution (the EU) which is so corrupt, even its own Court of Auditors has refused to approve its accounts for 16 years in a row!!!

  17. Alan Stone
    February 20, 2013 at 9:47 pm

    I have met Ray, he is such a cool bloke and would be welcome in UKIP any day.

    • Alan Stone
      February 21, 2013 at 7:39 pm

      Ray Hall, but Ray Turner is welcome too.

  18. February 20, 2013 at 9:54 pm

    Er, which Ray did you mean Alan. With Ray Turner writing about Ray Hall it gets mightily confusing around here sometimes…!

  19. Mike 20 a day Redshaw
    February 27, 2013 at 6:48 pm

    British democracy and eccentricity at its best. Good for u sir- if I was local I’d vote for you!

  20. Tim Murphy
    February 28, 2013 at 7:14 pm

    Good luck. £500 well spent. I am drinking a pint to wish you luck. Director General
    BBC AKA Tim Murphy

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