Ukip top General Election poll in Eastleigh


Farage and James could have something to smile about in 2015

Farage and James could have something to smile about in 2015

Ukip have topped an early poll on the outcome of the 2015 General Election published in the Mail on Sunday today.

The poll conducted by Survation puts Ukip in the lead with 32% (+4), Conservatives 28% (+3), Lib Dems 27% (-5)  and Labour 12% (+2).

This is the first time Ukip have ever been predicted to win a seat in parliament although the spread between the top three parties is tight – this is still a three way marginal as it was in the 2013 by-election.

Despite the predicted support for Ukip in the 2015 election, Survation have also found that the Liberal Democrats are still topping the poll in Eastleigh for next months local elections but Ukip are marginally ahead of the Conservatives

The Lib Dems are polling 39%, Ukip 27% Conservatives 23% and Labour 9%.

Eastleigh voters have told Survation that their top local issue is housing development/planning and on national issues 29% said they were bothered by immigration.

With no Eastleigh candidate declared for Ukip for next years General Election there has been speculation that party leader Nigel Farage could stand in the consitiuency.

Diane James who narrowly lost last year, has been widely expected to stand again and has been actively campaigning in the town while Farage, who previously contested the seat in 1994, considered doing so again last year.

Eastleigh News understands one of the major broadcasters has already booked a pitch at Fleming Park leisure centre (venue of the count and declaration) for their 2015 election night coverage.

Although, following last year’s election James immediately vowed to recontest the seat she refused to be drawn on her intentions when Eastleigh News recently spoke to her.

She also ruled herself out of any leadership challenge should Ukip fail to win any Westminster seats in 2015 and Farage carries out his well publicised threat to resign.

It may seem surprising that the Lib Dems could lose their parliamentary seat yet keep control of the council but the party is confident of its record on fiscal management and council tax.

Earlier yesterday Eastleigh Lib Dem leader Keith House told Eastleigh News:

“The Lib Dem position is of full confidence in the strength of our team and the strength of our record: the best record on Council Tax in the country, with a real-term cut every year for 11 years, services protected from cuts, and a real effort on creating jobs and prosperity.

“And in the most recent election, in Hedge End in February, the Lib Dems won decisively with the Conservatives back in second place.  Despite a lot of puff from UKIP, and an energetic Labour campaign, neither got near.”

Both Ukip and the Lib Dems have targeted each other with their local election material which has led to a spat over the proposed location of housing in the local plan – which in turn led to an apology from MP Mike Thornton.

Members of the Political Betting site say Ladbrokes in Eastleigh are currently offering 4/1 on Ukip winning here in 2015

  107 comments for “Ukip top General Election poll in Eastleigh

  1. Pete Stewart
    April 20, 2014 at 10:19 am

    When the people of Eastleigh speak, their voice will reverberate across the Land like thunder.

    • April 20, 2014 at 11:20 am

      We have already seen that happening. Voting UKIP became an acceptable thing to do in the Eastleigh by-election. It was a landmark moment in UK politics…

      • Jim
        April 20, 2014 at 12:42 pm

        Here Here!!

  2. Sue
    April 20, 2014 at 10:52 am

    I shall wait to see the UKIP manifesto. I am worried re their views on “welfare” and the NHS. I am happy though that they are shaking all the political parties up re the EU though.

    • mm
      Eastleigh Xpress
      April 20, 2014 at 4:46 pm

      The 2014 Ukip local manifesto was published a couple of weeks ago.
      You should be able to download it from here

      but for some reason it is password protected (?)

      I would be interested to know how many copies have been downloaded as since March 25 the link has been tweeted once and liked on facebook just 11 times!

      I have read it though because someone tweeted a link to a copy (which I can no longer find – I have requested a copy).

      Nothing terribly surprising – but the main premise seems to be councils are struggling under demands for services caused by immigration.

      This might be true in some parts of Uk…but Eastleigh?

      What do you think?

      • John Tomlin
        April 20, 2014 at 5:09 pm

        re Eastleigh,?
        I assume this refers to immigration?
        Try walking through West end on a Sunday morning and meet the many immigrants walking towards the Hedge End shopping area…. presumably to work!?….. English is not the language being spoken!
        Are the English workers traveling by other means? or do they travel later to shop?
        More power to UKIPs arm! there is still unemployment in Hampshire and jobs are being filled by immigrants even here!

        • April 20, 2014 at 8:04 pm

          Immigration isn’t (or shouldn’t) be the main issue John. Its the creation of another European superstate (post Nazi and USSR) and the potential dangers if that organisation falls into the wrong hands that we should be most concerned about. UKIP do seem to have drifted onto that issue over the last week, and I think they are quite right to do so…

          Some will say its scaremongering, but we had a very relevant story on Eastleigh News only a couple of weeks ago, where Walter Kammerling reminded us what can happen when things go wrong and spoke of the value of “Going against the stream, going against the peer pressure”.

          That’s what the UK, more specifically the UK electorate, needs to do over Europe…

        • mm
          Eastleigh Xpress
          April 20, 2014 at 8:24 pm

          Wow John, if I had to name one place in the UK that had ‘many immigrants’, West End would be the last place I would think of!

          Hackney, maybe – Tower Hamlets – perhaps, but West End?

          I can’t remember seeing many people walking around West End on a Sunday morning let alone immigrants!

          I mean how many is ‘many’?

          The 2011 census figures for Eastleigh has total of 4.5K immigrants out of a 104k local population – out of this number there are 2,300 EU migrants (including Ireland) and 1,100 are from Eastern European accession states.

          That’s just 1% of Eastleigh’s population there are more Welsh people in Eastleigh then East Europeans!

          National average for immigrants 9% so Eastleigh is well under that.

          BTW the unemployment rate for West End is 0.9%.

          West End based businessman Dusty Miller of Miller Cabs was told me last December that he was experiencing trouble finding people to drive his cabs despite an intensive six month advertising campaign.

          There certainly are migration related problems in UK – I just don’t think that’s here.

          Ukip says it is opposed to open borders and wants controlled immigration.

          Do you support that or do you think there should be no immigration until we have achieved 0% unemployment?

          • John Tomlin
            April 21, 2014 at 6:58 am

            I have worked in a number of countries broad.!
            In each case I have had to prove
            1. I did not have a criminal record.
            2. I am not taking a job that could be done by an existing national.
            3. My salary did not undercut existing workers( i,e my contract had to be submitted to the relevant Union).
            4. I had adequate medical insurance.
            5. I had prearranged accommodation!
            6. I had to register with the taxation authority.
            I don’t think the UK requires any of these, prior to the arrival of an immigrant.

            • Sue
              April 21, 2014 at 9:36 am

              and yet I have known loads of people working abroad who have had to do none of these things? I think it depends what country you work in? We do have free movement between EU countries I think. And it is probably this that people would like to see tackled?

              • John Tomlin
                April 21, 2014 at 9:57 am

                I worked in EU and non EU countries where the above rules were applied!

          • April 21, 2014 at 10:28 am

            John is quite right, the West End has all but been taken over by immigrants, it was initially reported on the news, but that has been stopped, they are pickpocketing, shop lifting and begging, the council have to send people out to clean the streets which they have been using as toilets, this applies to the parks as well, none of this can be good for tourism let alone anything else.

      • April 21, 2014 at 10:22 am

        There are quite a few towns/villages that say they do not see a problem with immigration, but, eventually, when it is to late, immigration is going to affect all these areas, London and thereabouts cannot keep taking them. A man posted the other day, not on this site, ” I had no problem with immigration but suddenly over just a few weeks I do not recognise my local High Street”

    • April 21, 2014 at 10:17 am

      Sue, UKIP will tell the truth re “welfare” and the “NHS” , it may not be what we want to hear but it will be the truth,and they will do their utmost to save both, not giving £54 mill per day to the “club” and cutting down foreign aid will help. the opposition has let everything get into a really bad way and the answers will nit be easy or quick to put right. On the other hand we can carry on with Lab/Cons and there will not be either welfare or an NHS, both are at breaking point.

  3. April 20, 2014 at 11:03 am

    But first we’ve got the 2014 EU and local elections to worry about.

    With Keith House standing for re-election to the Borough Council in Hedge End’s WIldern ward, there is a chance that the people of Eastleigh might decapitate the Lib Dem Empire, just by turning out and voting UKIP…

    Watch what the polls do if that happens…!

  4. Richard North
    April 20, 2014 at 11:28 am

    I am a UKIP candidate for a ward in Eastleigh borough in the May election and I have been out canvassing this week. The only thing that surprises me is the claimed lead for the LibDems in local elections as so many people locally are fed up with Keith House in particular.

    • April 20, 2014 at 11:37 am

      I’ve seen that too Richard, but the difficulty has been getting people to turn out and vote for somebody else. All politicians seem to be tarred with the same brush these days. ‘You lot are all the same’ is a commonly used phrase..

      The only way things are going to change, is if people turn out and vote for something different.

      If somebody relatively unknown gets power, citizens then have a responsibility to ‘watch them like hawk’, once we’ve given them the chance…

    • mm
      Eastleigh Xpress
      April 20, 2014 at 12:13 pm

      Which ward are you standing in Richard? (Eastleigh North surely)

      It really depends on voter’s personal circumstances – if those circumstances are comfortable then they are more likely to vote to maintain the status quo.

      On the whole Eastleigh is a prosperous place doing much better than many of its neighbours, on the other hand there are areas in the borough that aren’t doing so well.

      For example the recent jobless figures show unemployment in the borough well below the national average but look closer and you will find parts of the borough where it is almost non-existent and some (few) others where it is above regional and national trends.

      Also if you are living in one of the areas earmarked for housing development under the proposed local plan you may well not be too happy with the Lib Dem administration – particularly if you had previously voted for them – though even this isn’t entirely straightforward as the Lib Dems are opposing (non planned) development elsewhere in borough.

      So I think the poll shows the majority, over the whole borough, is happy with the council, this doesn’t seem to be of much help to Lib Dems in the national elections and why should it?

      I sometimes vote differently in nationals then I do in locals.

      Another thing to bear in mind is that the voting population in borough and constituency are not the same – several wards are in Winchester constituency.

      Of course, polls can get it wrong.

      • Jim
        April 20, 2014 at 12:49 pm

        Richard is standing in West End North.
        Former Mayor of Eastleigh and UKIP Branch Chairman Glynn Davies-Dear will be standing in Eastleigh North.

  5. ian
    April 20, 2014 at 11:36 am

    Hi Sue.They are very much in support of the NHS and want to get rid of ATOS and whatever the “Cons” next come up with and put the decisions back where it should be I.E. Doctors and health professionals.Sounds the only way to me.

    • April 20, 2014 at 11:53 am

      Me too Ian.

      Having worked in the Civil Service previously, I know that it is the dozen or more layers of career management above the people in the front-line, that are the real problem.

      Particularly when politicians indoctrinated those managers with the mistaken idea that the private sector would always do the work better…

      We should be diverting resources to the front line, rather than cutting it, and giving the people in the front line the space that they need to provide a good service…

  6. Pete Stewart
    April 20, 2014 at 12:03 pm

    The people of Britain have been sh*t on by the EU since 1973. What did our politicians expect … that we would tolerate this indefinitely?

    • April 20, 2014 at 12:13 pm

      I’d be less diplomatic about that Pete….

      I also think the problem goes back further than 1973, specifically the Labour Governments of the late 1960’s, The Conservatives and Dr Beeching etc etc….

      • April 20, 2014 at 2:27 pm

        Go back even further my friends read ‘THE SCHWAFFEN PLAN’

        • Jeff
          April 20, 2014 at 6:09 pm

          the what?
          Can’t find reference to it anywhere…

          • April 20, 2014 at 8:31 pm

            Me neither Jeff, but the Schlieffen Plan is credited with being one of the causes of WWI, and that certainly changed everything…

          • April 20, 2014 at 10:45 pm

            My apologies all! it is actually The schlieffen plan ….it is pronounced schwaffen hence my printing engaged before brain !….I believe it goes right back to 1905 but it spells it out quite clearly, we should have heeded these words much sooner ,

    • jim
      April 20, 2014 at 12:56 pm

      Seriously right Peter, and how about this one? The British tax payer was lumbered with the bill of 100million Euros to transfer Ford production to Turkey (not even an EU member) all those jobs lost! Did our MP protest against that closure?

    • robb
      April 21, 2014 at 10:53 am

      I think you’ll find Pete it’s our own governments and the apathy of our citizens that have s..t on us all. Our French neighbours have a legally enforced 35 hour maximum working week, better pensions which are paid earlier and a great lifestyle enjoyed by many British emmigrants, whilst we have returned to the Victorian values of barely surviving and doffing our caps to the rich mill owner. So Europe make some of your s..t legally enforceable here, I for one will welcome it !

      • Pete Stewart
        April 27, 2014 at 10:21 am

        Agreed Robb – successive governments have been sh*tt*ng on us for 40 years.

        This is hardly surprising when you consider both main parties (LibCon and Labour) have been taken over by EU-globalists with one common purpose: To maximize the profits and power of globalist concerns.

        These politicians don’t give a toss about the welfare of the British people they are elected to represent.

        So I agree we are shifting towards a Dickensian way of life, where the wealth gap is getting ever wider and workers’ rights are beginning to count for nothing.

        But don’t be fooled into thinking the EU will protect us or give us workers rights. The EU is destroying workers rights across Europe. To be more exact, globalists are destroying workers rights right across the world.

        How utterly appalling that we should support slave factories abroad. What price do we put on that? Is it the few quid we save ourselves? Is it the million young British workers who can’t find a job? At what point will the British people say, this is a price we cannot afford to pay?

        I think we have come to that point. The British people have woken up and as this groundbreaking Eastleigh News story shows, the people are about to vote UKIP.

        • Botley Resident
          April 27, 2014 at 10:33 am

          No they a’int!!!!

  7. the Lib Who?
    April 20, 2014 at 12:41 pm

    The corrupted establishment and the EU money motivated Press still try an belittle UKIP and UKIP supporters. The problem for them is, there comes a time where people become so fed up of being lied too, they stop listening to the lies.
    I think they call it a Rvolution. The EU has an almighty shock coming.
    It is the People of Eastleigh who will be remembered in History!

  8. jim
    April 20, 2014 at 1:09 pm

    How come our MP Mike Thornton does not bother to try and save out Police station, protect Law and order etc, yet he will go all out to fight against the closure of a Night Club that is a known trouble spot.

    Is it just me or is that not just a bit backward?

    Diane James and UKIP staged a protest outside the Eastleigh Police station 2 weeks ago. Save our Police Station.

    Where was Mike Thornton MP?
    Keith House LibDem leader in Eastleigh said that Police only use the Police station to sit drinking tea.

    What thw Hell is going on??

    • April 20, 2014 at 8:09 pm

      I find that odd too. Might blog about that later…

  9. British Patriot
    April 20, 2014 at 1:45 pm

    Go on Eastleigh make history and set the benchmark for the diplomatic revolution this country needs… i wish i was an eastleigh resident… however i will do all i can where i live!! If you vote them in their is a chance other areas will to!!!

  10. Rich Pawlik
    April 20, 2014 at 1:48 pm

    Sometimes it takes a poll like this to make people sit up and take note.
    But if people could spend a few weeks in my shoes, they could see for themselves the overwhelming support for UKIP and democracy in Eastleigh.
    And like a few before me have mentioned, Mr Houses name always pops up in conversation, and in a very bad light.
    His weakness towards Clegg and Co is the cause of his inevitable demise.
    No longer must the Taxpayers of Eastleigh Have to prop up The UnLiberal
    Undemocratic Party Nationally.
    And there is much unrest in the Lib-Dem ranks in Eastleigh Also, but obviously this will all be denied.
    I’m glad the people of Eastleigh are pushing themselves forward to a brighter and better future!.

  11. Nelsonsblood
    April 20, 2014 at 2:45 pm

    Yes, it’s about time UKIP got a proper foot in the door. I hope it will happen.

  12. Pete Stewart
    April 20, 2014 at 3:24 pm

    This is a historic article.

    Firstly the MASSIVE significance to the EU puppet establishment if Eastleigh puts a UKIP MP into Parliament next year.

    Secondly I think Eastleigh News has beaten Fleet Street to it.

    Does anyone know what time the nationals are published? I thought it was between 03:00 and 04:00. I see this Eastleigh News article was published at 02:32 this morning.

    Can anyone throw any light on this? Is this another national scoop for Eastleigh News?

    • mm
      Eastleigh Xpress
      April 20, 2014 at 4:13 pm

      This was a MOS story which they published a 00.58 this a.m inexplicably masked by a headline concerning Alan Sked making some remarks about Nigel Farage so perhaps its not surprising MSM not picked up on it.

      Of course its also early Easter Sunday and most newsrooms are staffed by a solitary unpaid intern watching random videos of cats on youtube.

      I picked up on the story after I noticed inbound traffic to EN from Mike Smithson’s excellent political betting site – someone had linked to articles on EN so I followed them back and they led to an article on the Survation poll.

      The PB site thinks the poll is significant because it is the first time Ukip have topped a parliamentary poll and I think it is too.

      PB site users are quite an astute bunch and there was speculation as to whether Farage or James would contest the seat.

      I had only just received an email from Keith House about the Lib Dem local campaign and some spare footage with Diane James being asked about Eastleigh and the leadership – so stick it altogether and we have a story.

      I have linked the story back to the political betting site so we have been sending traffic back to them – in fact more than they have sent us and thats how it should work.

      I notice Ukip main site has story but not linked to anyone – not even the survation survey.

      This article has had a lot of reads today and and we have had the best day for traffic so far this year – Kieran’s Eastleigh FC story also doing well.

      My guess is quite a few political hacks will have read this today and will be booking their 2015 pitches come Tuesday!

  13. Pete Stewart
    April 20, 2014 at 5:36 pm

    A masked story is no story at all.

    Eastleigh News is to be congratulated for another national scoop.

    I think come Tuesday it will be picked up by the national BBC and could blow up even bigger than Theresa May’s cat story.

  14. David Walbridge
    April 20, 2014 at 6:38 pm

    I’m standing in the Winchester CC local elections as a UKIP candidate, and I’ve been amazed at the support for the party. I’m new to politics and I was a bit wary at first about going up to people and introducing myself, but to my surprise well over half of all the people I’ve spoken to have responded positively and said they were seriously thinking about voting UKIP this time around.

  15. Rosie
    April 20, 2014 at 7:30 pm

    Was the survey carried out only in Eastleigh itself? If so, re the comments about the Lib Dems retaining the Council votes that wouldn’t be the case in many of the Borough locations outside Eastleigh as it’s the Local Plan destruction of our countryside that has made so many former Lib Dem voters now totally anti-Lib Dem. We also need to see Diane James around the whole Borough (many of us never go to Eastleigh itself!). Let’s hope she is the UKIP candidate, not Nigel Farage,as many people voted for her – such a strong candidate when compared with the alternatives! – and not UKIP itself. There’s no reason why Labour couldn’t pick up more votes if they had a decent candidate, either.

    • April 20, 2014 at 7:51 pm

      Yes Rosie. My first impression of Diane James was that she was a very strong candidate. That feeling was reinforced during the by-election campaign and so it proved when the results were announced. I also took the view that one UKIP MP couldn’t do any serious harm in Westminster, so it was well worth giving her a chance to see what she & UKIP would do.

      By-elections are thus a slightly different ball-game to the General Election, so we shouldn’t read too much into the results.

      Hopefully UKIP will win a by election soon, so we get a little more insight before we fully trust UKIP in the General Election in 2015.

      • mm
        Eastleigh Xpress
        April 20, 2014 at 8:46 pm

        There has previously been a Ukip MP in Westminster – Bob Spink who crossed over from Conservative benches.

        • April 20, 2014 at 9:27 pm

          Do we count such defections…?

          We need to see what happens when the electorate explicitly vote for a UKIP MP

  16. Alex Wade
    April 20, 2014 at 8:24 pm

    Good article I have to say, I am not a fan of polls as they can be wide of the mark, I think of last general election for the lib Dems, where we got quite excited before ending on 5 fewer mp’s. So, pinch of salt in my view. However, although a lib dem supporter I think any voter looking to cast their vote, and especially those in decided, should have easy access to party manifestos and ukip website, not the easiest for finding this or candidates details. I would hope all candidates and policies are put there so the voters have the facts to make an informed choice.

  17. April 20, 2014 at 10:59 pm

    I too have had the comment that ‘they are all the same’ in regard to politicians, and my response is ‘well if you truly believe that the liblabcon are all the same , then is that at least not a good enough reason to give your vote to a party you have never tried ? after all how are you going to change things by keep voting the same people in !’ At least with UKIP you will have the option of chucking them out after 5 years if they are not doing the job , if the others get in again they will take us into Europe and you will then have no choice at all because we will be governed by the EU. A political union which is answerable to no-one !

  18. James Penders
    April 21, 2014 at 7:36 am

    So many replies, but only a few of substance. Firstly voting for a Kipper is voting for a National party, that will become insular, intolerant, will split neighbours and communities, and eventually lead to fascism. The idea that the EU is a federal state is a false, the existence of the EU is to increase trade amongs member states using a level playing field, and to protect the consumers of that trade. Immigration was never an agenda of the EU, open borders allowed trade to pass without tariffs, but also allowed people to pass without border checks, the very idea that Mr French/Mr German was gonna uproot his family and move to Hampshire was never on the cards, but his cars, banks and insurance companies and hotels have. When you return to work after the Easter break, actually have a look at who pays your wages, who protects your pension rights, who prevents you from being exploited, who guarantees your goods, who plays for your local footie club, who serves you your food in the local eatery
    If you must protest, go and protest outside a job centre and urge the unemployed locals who recieve JSA to take the job, or moan about johnny foreigner, coming over here and paying tax on his earnings.
    Crystal clear, or Crystal nacht?

  19. Rigel
    April 21, 2014 at 9:17 am

    The dimwitted paranoia of UKIP is shown by the reference to the schlieffen plan – super LOL.

    Ukip either don’t have , or hide their policies on everything important because if they or they’re voters read up on anything the resulting debate would drag down the facade

    They want to pick up some of the 70% unused votes by appealing to nationalism and moaning about immigration,they are reactionaries

    appealing to Eastleigh’s baser instincts, but it is bunkum , and it is getting bunkumer everyday.

    when I last posted on this site repeatedly a few months back i attempted again and again to tease out from UKIP supporters an admission of their climate change policy – I’ll try again.

    Am I right that UKIPs policy on climate change is to do nothing ? for the record ……. anyone ?

  20. Michale O'Donoghue
    April 21, 2014 at 6:34 pm

    I am always amazed when reading comments from those who have zero interest in a political debate unless it is to knock the opposition by referring to points of views held opposite to theirs as bigoted, racist etc., etc and leading to Adolf Hitler being resurrected in Eastleigh Mr Penders?

    For goodness sake – UKIP exists not for nationalism, base instincts, or bunkum Rigel – but for the pure and simple fact that the best people to govern the British nation are the British people – whilst whole heartedly embracing trade, culture, ethnic diversity that the rest of the world (and Europe) has to offer. (And not some artificial superstate interfering in our day to day lives which as a small businessman I find tedious, expensive, and difficult to employ anyone without spending a fortune on European driven legislation thus – when multiplied by the millions of small business people like myself – depriving the UK of employing people to grow our businesses who then pay taxes to the exchequer)

    Every artificial superstate or empire has by virtue of such diversity failed – the Roman Empire, British Empire, the Ottoman Empire, Yugoslavia, Union of Soviet Socialist Republics, India/Pakistan/Kashmir, and so on.

    I call on everyone who believes we can do better without the stranglehold of the EU to support UKIP at all levels of government at the 2014 elections.


    • Rigel
      April 22, 2014 at 12:31 am

      the empires failed because they….. didn’t go on forever….due to diversity…. you were making sense for a while Michale my friend .

      let me put it this way, we have bubonic plague in the political body , we know it’s the fleas and the rats and your plan is to treat the rats with frontline so they can’t carry fleas…

      No we stop living with rats.

      It’s Westminster and the EU and all the myriad of well meaning super conformers that work for them, they are all as bad as each other , I don’t know what golden age of Britain you want to go back to but anything after 1000AD has been pants , the elites gorge themselves the poor are wretched and everyone in the middle works all the time.

      UKIP are not a revolution , they are more of the same , eu membership is a pimple of an issue ,

      What is local about UKIP ?, it is laughable to see ex-libdem councillors now being kippers, I’m sorry eastleigh , I’m sorry my cohorts have not provided you with any appropriate candidates, the only choice is what flavour of fascist you prefer, none of them will leave you alone because they all just want your cash.

      please some ukip supporter confirm my assesment of your climate change policy , I do like you all you know , I think you have some valid points and I’d like to explore them further later on …… but do me a favour and just admit that the climate change policy is to do nothing.

  21. April 21, 2014 at 9:43 pm

    James pender needs a reality check, his claims are too naive to take seriously. His comments are correct ! such as insular-intolerant-They split neighbours and communities -and lead to fascism, except he has the wrong party! it is not UKIP but the EU which is guilty of all the above and much more . This house of ill repute is so corrupt it cannot get its own accounts signed off! Take a good look round the world James and see how the EU dictatorship has brought small nations to their knees with their meddling and daily dictats , We see it now on a daily basis wherever they have ‘moved in’ we see neighbor fighting neighbor and the people in their thousands marching in protest against the terrible austerity measures their governments have been forced into accepting all because the EU has tied them into a contract that eventually squeezes out democracy and freedom. If you are happy to accept this just so you dont have to bother to change currency when you go abroad you are either very rich? or extremely selfish? or as i said at the beginning utterly naive. .

  22. Sue
    April 21, 2014 at 10:14 pm

    I wonder how many people would object to the EU if we lived in a far more equitable country? How about if we had massive social programmes ensuring that everyone had a decent job, decent housing etc? UKIP do seem to have focussed on immigration and us not being able to provide the schools, Drs etc. “Foreigners” taking “our” jobs etc? But what that seems to miss is that there has been a deliberate policy of austerity which has exacerbated all these things. The system we live in is a “survival of the fittest” type one ————- but does it have to be like that? Our country is bloody rich. I feel it is working people who create that wealth but they dont get the benefits. Instead we turn on other working people who are just trying to survive the same as we are. Maybe we should leave the EU ——- I honestly havent made up my mind. But I really dont want to be a part of picking on any other group of people who are basically just like me and struggling to live?

  23. Pete Stewart
    April 21, 2014 at 10:46 pm

    QUESTION: Why are some people scared of UKIP?

    ANSWER: They aren’t! They’ve just been tamed by the EU for so long, they are now petrified of any hand that threatens to open the cage door to the big wide world.

  24. Michale O'Donoghue
    April 22, 2014 at 10:28 am

    Rigel – you ask two questions – both needing an answer. You ask about UKIP locally – the same question applies to the Lib/Lab/Con – however, for the electorate, voting for someone locally when you don’t know the candidates either needs intensive analysis of that person’s credentials or easier, take their stance on National issues being closest to your own and vote accordingly. People will always support a group holding viewpoints closest to their own, whether it be religion, politics, or football teams! So when it comes to local elections, people choose UKIP (or others) not because of that candidates local abilities being unknown, but because that candidate supports a national party which has a similar view to the electors.
    Ref climate change – it is a fact of this planet’s existance that climate change is the only change we can take for granted. 6,000 odd tears ago Hippos, Lions, Rhinos roamed the English countryside – during the Mesozoic era when dinosaurs were about – the average temperature was about 18 degrees warmer than today – then later about 150,000 years ago – we had the ice ages when glaciers covered the Northern Hemisphere. 60 million years ago, CO2 levels were 16 times higher than today. I suggest you read the full report this is extracted from – being Stamford University Report on Climate Change which suggests the orbital position of our planet would have a lot more to do with climate change than any man made influence.
    Simple answer from my point of view is that mankind is too insignificant and nothing we do or say will have any effect on climate change – UKIP or not!!

  25. Pete Stewart
    April 22, 2014 at 10:38 pm


    The only climate which man can change is the political one.

  26. Rigel
    April 23, 2014 at 8:35 pm

    Excellent as I suspected Ukip’s official policy on climate change is to do nothing..because the science is wobbly as hell…………. and that’s the right policy, I agree Michale , climate change is just not a problem , it is a ‘grand spectacle’ , it is unwarranted apocalyptic fear mongering with a final destination of an increased rationale for taxation.

    So, we have the Eastleigh Lib dem’s who waste millions tackling something that is not a threat , who strut around pretending they are saving the world ; we go into a close election and the lib dem’s rival UKIP has the polar opposite view on this subject ….

    but they don’t mention it in their campaign, the biggest policy differential , a subject which is so much a manifestation of supranational government which effuses red tape constraints , and throws taxpayers money away, EBC’s raison d’etre no less but…

    From UKIP, on climate change,not a peep……….probably because they have calculated it will put people off, it will lose them votes because they need ‘left’ liberal swing voters, and AGW denial will be an STD in their campaign. That is not the action of a party founded on principles or ideals , it is the footprint of power hungry pragmatists.

    UKIP are not a coherent political entity they want to exploit mass political disillusion but they are the worst of all possible vehicles, because they only have the political depth of a pressure group. There is a strong ‘throw the bums out’ feeling in the electorate and in the best case this should be exploited by a local candidate with no party affiliation , like a vulture UKIP scoops up dissent into a nationalist / anti-immigration offensive , but this is the least effective issue with which to bring down the hegemony because it is a weak argument, and does nothing to change our circumstances, it will either be marginalized and waste all our efforts or succeed leaving us with , cue sarcasm, the enduring rainbows and lollipops of being ‘out of europe’ wow we can be just like Norway !

    If nobody gets on to the big issues , it’s not democracy.

    UKIP’s basic argument is we leave europe and everything is tickety-boo and this is an implicit confirmation that in Westminster things can continue as normal…..

    • mm
      Eastleigh Xpress
      April 23, 2014 at 11:37 pm

      Ha! Climate change denier!

      I expect next you’ll be saying we don’t need 10,000 houses in the borough…

      • Rigel
        April 24, 2014 at 4:16 pm

        i’m a housing need denier too !

  27. April 24, 2014 at 11:01 pm

    And you of course Rigel have the answer to all the problems being discussed ? you alone have the knowledge and the insight to foresee how we can put right the wrongs of so many in positions of authority,gosh how superior that must make you feel! do please share with us .

  28. Pete Stewart
    April 25, 2014 at 8:17 am


    Molly Bennett has a point.

    You seem to be very dismissive of more than 11,000 UKIP voters who have switched to UKIP within the last year or so.

    Why have they switched to UKIP?

    Answer: Because they are sick of seeing so many anti-British politicians wrecking our country in the name of “European unification”.

    Do you support EU globalism?

  29. Derek Moore
    April 25, 2014 at 4:31 pm

    Local politics is for local people to decide, this is the starting point of democracy. These local people are not always fully interested in the wider world of politics that you are talking about but more so what is affecting them locally. As a UKIP candidate and formally a conservative chairman and candidate in Bishopstoke back in the 80’s I have knocked on many doors in the last few days and discussed the current issues, and every single person I ask about the being part of EU etc. I get a negative comment, not one person has said they want to be in it.
    People are not joining UKIP because there is no one else to vote for, people are saying enough is enough and they want change.
    UKIP is a fresh face on the political stage and I think we have a really good chance of rocking the very foundations of the “jolly boys” who are running the country at the moment! I say bring on the change to help Britain move forward and put it back on the map in it’s own right not under someone else’s banner. Derek Moore UKIP BOTLEY

    • Botley Resident
      April 25, 2014 at 6:20 pm

      Sir you and UKIP know nothing of local issues, particularly of those in Botley.
      Your party has done NOTHING in Botley to help on the premature planning application at Boorley Green.
      Residents are not Daft
      You have a leader who says British Jobs for British worker, but employs a German as his secretary.
      You have a local taxi company owner who openly admits he uses overseas labour.
      Looking at past history from the 1930’s that were made up of foolish elitist people who supported a racist society is very worrying today, in particular as the leader of UKIP admires the President of Russia, who has DANGEROUS ambitions, similar to those of the 1930’s.

      • Derek Moore
        April 25, 2014 at 7:09 pm

        Dear Botley Resident,
        I am personally opposed to the proposed urban sprawl in Boorley Green, however it is difficult for UKIP do anything when not in power. Botley residents voted for Liberal Democrats who voted in the housing proposal back in 1998. Mr Farage has a wife who is German, and likely to be a very nice person (not quite the same thing).

        No one in UKIP has shown support of nazi’ism.
        You can only change what is happening by voting for someone not blurting out accusations that are untrue, otherwise you would be described as a liberal democrat!!

    • Botley Resident
      April 25, 2014 at 7:06 pm

      A bit more for you to ponder.
      Did you attend the protest march in Botley last year against the Boorley Green Botley development THAT 800 PLUS RESIDENTS ATTENDED… NO.
      DID YOU ATTEND THE HEWEB LAC Meeting in Feb of that year that 800 residents attended… NO.

      • April 25, 2014 at 7:11 pm

        Good points well made.

    • Botley Resident
      May 4, 2014 at 8:37 am

      Exactly what Conservative Association of Branch were you a chairman of and when?
      When exactly did you stand in Bishopstoke and for who?

  30. Derek Moore
    April 25, 2014 at 7:11 pm

    yes, yes YES Y E S and yes I also signed the petition you talk of, have a look!

    • Botley Resident
      April 25, 2014 at 9:21 pm

      There was no petition.

      • Derek Moore
        April 25, 2014 at 9:44 pm

        Yes there was I signed one at our local feed store Longacre Feeds!

    • Botley Resident
      April 25, 2014 at 9:26 pm

      Representations on the EBC local plan can be found on the EBC website. I have yet to find your name there!
      PS I am NOT a lib dem supporter, but a realist voter who does not like candidates who stir up untrue stories.

    • Botley Resident
      April 25, 2014 at 10:04 pm

      I never mentioned a petition or Nazism.
      However if you did turn up great.

  31. Botley Resident
    April 25, 2014 at 9:55 pm

    Did you represent against the planning application for Boorley Green, or the zEBC local plan 2011 – 2029?
    The petition you say you signed as a Horton Heath resident, when did you sign it?

  32. Pete Stewart
    April 26, 2014 at 11:14 am

    Botley Resident,

    Did you oppose the Boorley Green development?

    • Botley Resident
      April 26, 2014 at 11:19 am

      Sure did. Both the planning application and the EBC local plan 2011-2029

  33. Derek Moore
    April 26, 2014 at 12:55 pm

    Vote me in this year, and I will be able to do something about all of the above. don’t blame me for what you all have had the power to stop, it was not me who continually voted the Lib Dems in, and allowed Keith House to ride all over you!
    I have said I was/ am against Borley Green what more would you like?
    I signed a petition as I said this was by the Botley Parish Action Group, and it turns out it was scrapped because the developers withdrew the plans and then resubmitted and of course a lot of people thought they had already signed, when they brought the second set of plans out.

    I live a 100 yards off of the Botley Road, and if the residents find that they would rather not vote for me for what ever reason, then that is politics.

    I am of good character honest and hard working family man, and I am now at the age that I would like to give something back to the community, my time and knowledge as a business man, and my life experiences working with people, I am fortunate to own land and farm around the local area, I have a level of understanding of Botleys needs and am learning every day! The answer will come on 22nd May so let’s not beat up someone who wants to bring something to the table for the good of the local community, lets embrace the future and all work together to make things better for us and future generations
    Derek Moore Vote UKIP

    • Richard North
      April 26, 2014 at 1:18 pm

      The LibDems have created a one-party regime in Eastleigh – 39 out of 44 councillors are LibDems. This would not be a healthy state of affairs whatever party was in power. Ask yourself whether it makes sense to replace some of those LibDems with councillors from another party so they can start to be held to account in the council chamber. Unfortunately only one third of seats are up for grabs this year so, whatever happens, the LibDems will retain control after May 22, but maybe just maybe with a greatly reduced majority. Remember that the only party locally which can beat the LibDems is UKIP – vote for the Tories and you’ve wasted your vote. (Note that the LibDems are currently putting out leaflets pretending it’s a 2-horse race between them and the Tories – the reason is that if you won’t vote for them, they want you to waste your vote).

      • April 28, 2014 at 9:55 am

        Every election is a new contest. In theory, anybody could win. It depends how the public vote and (if disaffected) whether they can be bothered to turn out to vote for something different….

    • Botley Resident
      April 26, 2014 at 2:47 pm

      Did you ever submit an objection to either the outline planning application for Boorley Green, or object to BO1 and HE1 in the EBC Local Plan 2011-2029?
      I am having trouble finding your name or that of any other UKIP candidate . If you did you should ask EBC what they have done with it!
      Also there has ONLY EVER BEEN ONE outline planning application for the building of 1400 homes at Boorley Green

      • Derek Moore
        April 26, 2014 at 4:37 pm

        Ok will do,
        Pop into Longacre Feeds and get your facts right.

        And when I do take my seat I will be asking a lot of questions don’t you worry.

        Anyway this is not the best place for this type of discussion so this will be my last post.
        See you at the ballet box or not!

        • mm
          Eastleigh Xpress
          April 26, 2014 at 10:30 pm

          “Anyway this is not the best place for this type of discussion ”

          No? Where is then?

  34. Botley Resident
    April 26, 2014 at 4:56 pm

    Some people seem to think that voting for UKIP won’t do any harm as they wouldn’t dream of voting for them at a General election.

    Do they really want a party they would not trust to run the county, running their local council?

  35. Botley Resident
    April 26, 2014 at 5:07 pm

    Nigel Farage has been in the European Parliament for 15 years. In a decade and a half can anyone point to a single achievement or outcome that he or his party can take to the British public? There simply isn’t one. It is all bluster.

  36. April 26, 2014 at 8:58 pm

    Really, here is a fact you may be unaware of , UKIP is the fastest growing political party in our history! this ACHIEVEMENT does not happen through sitting on your backside, or through endless tedious soundbites that no longer fool the public . UKIPs ‘bluster’ has certainly resonated with the man on the street!. we had been deliberately ignored, and then laughed at for so long the main parties became complacent, now it is too late the public has seen through the years of lies and empty promises, and are looking for a party that speaks for them ! They have found that party in UKIP ……elections ? bring it on !

  37. April 26, 2014 at 11:17 pm

    UKIP is not the only alternative :: Please don’t be fooled.

    Vote TUSC. Be a part of positive change.
    We have 3 candidates standing in Eastleigh.
    This will be the biggest left of Labour challenge in such elections in 60 years. A workers party, for & of the people. Vote to protect our services and workers rights. No More Cuts!

    • Pete Stewart
      April 27, 2014 at 12:38 pm

      Tanya, do you believe Britain should leave the EU?

  38. Botley Resident
    April 27, 2014 at 10:23 am

    It would appear when UKIP are challenged on REAL local issues, they don’t know what they are and give up.
    Not a party you would want to represent Botley against the Lib Dems at a local level. By the way the latest Lib Dem Focus is a disgrace and an insult to the intelligence of Botley residents.

  39. Pete Stewart
    April 27, 2014 at 12:35 pm


    You said you had “opposed” the mass development at Boorley Green but I suggest your “opposition” achieved nothing.

    In the April 2010 Eastleigh News article “Botley Assizes”:

    I explained there was only ONE opposition to mass development, and that was to oppose its cause, i.e. open EU borders.

    Therefore people had to vote UKIP, because a vote for Conservative, Labour or LibDem would be a vote to maintain open EU borders, mass immigration, mass population displacements from the cities and towns and mass house building.

    So if you voted Conservative, Labour or LibDem in 2010, then you must accept some responsibility for the mass development in Boorley Green.

    • Botley Resident
      April 27, 2014 at 12:49 pm


      • Pete Stewart
        April 27, 2014 at 8:37 pm

        Which part do think is “rubbish”?

        Is it the part where I suggested that your opposition to mass development had achieved nothing.

        Or is it the part where I suggested that the only way to oppose mass development is to close our borders with the EU?

        • Botley Resident
          April 27, 2014 at 9:18 pm

          Your analysis and statement is rubbish and wrong

          • Pete Stewart
            April 27, 2014 at 9:59 pm

            Then pray enlighten me! Which part is wrong ?

            Is it:

            1) My assertion that your opposition to mass development in Boorley Green has been in vain (because presumably the mass development is going ahead anyway)?

            or is it…

            2) My assertion that the only way to oppose mass development is removing the cause?

            or is it …
            3) My assertion that that the principal cause of mass development is open EU borders?

            I am willing to listen to a logical argument.

            • mm
              Eastleigh Xpress
              April 27, 2014 at 10:19 pm

              Surely the principle cause of mass development is the government push for growth?

              Do you not recall Mr Osbourne saying Britain needed to ‘build its way to recovery’?

              Housebuilding has ‘multiplier effects’ on all sections of economy boosting GDP.

              I don’t think immigrants are forcing the government to build more houses (though some might be helping them)

              But if all this housebuilding is solely to meet immigrant demand – what would happen to the construction industry if it stopped?

              • Pete Stewart
                April 27, 2014 at 10:53 pm

                The government admitted 50% of house building over the next 20 years will be due to immigration. The true figure is probably higher.

                If Osbourne believes Britain can recover from 40 years of destroying its industrial base, by building more houses while inviting more cheap EU labour to enter Britain and destroy more workers jobs, then he needs his head examining.

                Building houses is one thing. Selling them is another especially if Osbourne is stimulating the housing market by encouraging mass immigration of cheap EU labour. He knows this will increase demand for housing and force up prices, mortgages and debt. But what happens when interest rates rise? Let’s see the “multiplier effect” then when people are forced to find mortgage money they don’t have! By transferring ever more emphasis onto the housing market, we are storing up awesome trouble which may make the recent recession look like peanuts.

                The more people who enter Britain, the more houses we will need. The equation is logical, although the mechanism is more complex than might be imagined, because of population displacement from the cities and towns when British people can no longer find work locally.

                If immigration were suddenly reversed, then construction would slow temporarily. But with less immigration, there would be more British jobs. Confidence would increase and the economy would pick up. Construction would pick up too. Construction does not rest on immigration and our economy does not rest on construction. Or if it does, then we’ve had it.

    • Botley Resident
      April 27, 2014 at 1:22 pm

      So what have UKIP done in Brussels to address your ficticous claims?
      Nothing, just enjoyed living well off tax payer funded expenses.
      You can’t even Get your posters right. You proport a builder is a out of work British builder when in fact he is a Dubliner who has lived in the UK for 10 years.

      • Pete Stewart
        April 28, 2014 at 7:51 pm

        OK Botley Resident,

        Answer me this! Do you support British jobs for British workers?

        • Botley Resident
          April 29, 2014 at 7:10 am

          I support full employment for all, and a free non elitist society. A society that is NOT them and us. Those sad days have long gone.
          UKIP need to grow up and mature, get REAL policies that would benefit ALL in the UK.
          Then they just might be a party worth voting for.

        • Botley Resident
          April 29, 2014 at 7:17 pm

          Having just watched the most offensive party political broadcast I have ever seen by the BNP asking exactly the same question I now have confirmed who UKIP are aligned to.
          Utter shame on you.

  40. Richard North
    April 27, 2014 at 1:45 pm

    Eastleigh is effectively a single-party regime with 39 out of 44 wards in LibDem control. Many of their councillors don’t even bother to turn up to council meetings – why should they bother because they know what the outcome will be?THIS IS NOT DEMOCRACY! Do you want this election to be the start of an earthquake in Eastleigh or a perpetuation of the same old same old? If you want change, vote UKIP. In most of the wards up for election, UKIP got over 30% of the vote in 2013 while the Tories got under 20% and Labour about 6%. The Tories cannot win in Eastleigh, which is why the leaflets recently distributed by the LibDems are lying to you by saying the LibDems are in a 2-horse race with the Tories. It’s UKIP the LibDems really fear.

  41. Rosie
    April 28, 2014 at 1:09 pm

    We’ve already got a party we can’t trust running our local council! In 40 years of voting, I’ve never come across, at a local level, the things I’ve seen the Lib Dems do here, especially the way they mislead voters (eg “protecting our countryside”).

  42. Rosie
    April 28, 2014 at 1:19 pm

    Many of us outside Botley would have attended these events if we’d known in advance. When I contacted HEBAG, I didn’t get a response. Instead of fighting individual developments,we should have fought the Local Plan countryside sites as a whole. The Lib Dems have sneakily approved most of the Local Plan countryside building already and the extra traffic and pollution will impact us all.

  43. Rosie
    April 28, 2014 at 1:39 pm

    Councillors should be penalised if they don’t turn up to important meetings. As Richard has said, they don’t turn up because they’ve already decided the outcome! I’ve even seen a Lib Dem LAC Chair talking to the supposedly-impartial Eastleigh Borough Council planning official whilst a resident spoke in favour of a development the Lib Dems were strongly opposing (he was the only resident speaking in favour as most local residents know there’s no point opposing Lib Dem policies as they don’t listen to residents who disagree with them). Lib Dems here are mostly unprofessional and continually mislead residents, who Lib Dems arrogantly think don’t have the intelligence to see through their misleading propaganda.

  44. Botley Resident
    April 30, 2014 at 5:51 am

    Maybe UKIP should ask their question differently!

  45. April 30, 2014 at 12:03 pm

    didn’t occur to you I suppose that all 3 main parties are jumping on the band wagon and copying /emulating all the policies and statement that are being made by UKIP,? we are speaking for the majority of the public! If the other parties have no genuine policies of their own then it is time to ask the question what have they been doing ! and just who have they been working for?

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