Eastleigh remembers the fallen

Remembrance Sunday 2104

A record crowd assembled on Eastleigh recreation ground on Remembrance Sunday to honour the memory of the town’s fallen.

The exceptionalyl mild weather and the World War One centenary boosted numbers at the service which was led by Salvation Army Envoy Margaret Moore and organised by the Eastleigh and District Royal British Legion.

Music was provided by the 14th Eastleigh Scout and Guide Band (The Spitfires) whose buglers also sounded the last post.

Local dignitaries laid wreaths at the town’s newly refurbished war memorial along with veterans and representatives from Eastleigh’s twin towns, cadet forces and youth organisations.

Addressing the congregation Eastleigh’s mayor Cllr Tony Noyce said:

“We are here today to remember all those men and women who gave their lives in the First World War, the Second World War and all the other conflicts past and present.

As we lay these poppy wreaths together with our twinning representatives from Villeneuve St Georges and Kornwestheim we will remember the ultimate sacrifices these brave and gallant people made.

Let us not forget that they gave their lives so that we can live our lives in peace and freedom.

We will never forget them.”

Representing Eastleigh’s French twin town of Villeneuve St Georges, Marc Thibberville told the crowd how the first world war had been caused by the ‘madness’ of nationalism.

“A century ago nationalist madness threw the world into one of the worst wars ever”

Wars show us that we still have a lot to do for peace that’s why we must always remember what war is and the millions of people who fell – nous nous souviendrons d’eux – we will remember them.”

The Erster Bürgermeister of Koenwesthim, Dietmar Allgaier said

“As twin towns we care for our friendship; we feel sympathy for each other; we confide in each other and our regular meetings are the basis for peace.

Thus we prevent wars and provide cooperation.”

Herr Allgaier warned:

“There must be no place for hate, violence, xenophobia and discrimination in our society.”

Wreaths were laid by the Deputy Lieutenant for Hampshire Prof. Khalid Aziz LVO DL and His Worship the Mayor of Eastleigh Cllr Tony Noyce,
M.Marc Thiberville (for Villenueve St Georges), Erster Burgemeister Dietmar Allgaier (for Kornwestheim) and Eastleigh MP Mike Thornton.

The following Freemen of the Borough also came forward:

Lord and Lady Chidgey
Councillor Godfrey Olson OBE
Princess of Wales’ Royal Regiment

The following organisations and individuals laid wreaths:

Eastleigh and District British Legion
Borough of Eastleigh
Royal Artillery Veterans Winchester and Eastleigh Branch,
Paul Capper Funeral Directors
Rotary Club of Eastleigh
Eastleigh Fire Station
Mark Latham PPC (for Eastleigh Labour Party)
Ghurkha Nepal Association
Polish Ex-Combatants Association
Hampshire Constabulary
11 Platoon 2 Company Army Cadet Force
1216 Sqn (Eastleigh) Air Training Corps
Eastleigh St John’s Ambulance
Eastleigh Red Cross
A H Rogers & Sons Funeral Directors
Eastleigh Twinning Association
14th Eastleigh Scout and Guide Band
Southampton and District MCC
Glynn Davies-Dear (Chairman Ukip Eastleigh)
Salvation Army
Eastleigh Scouts
Royal Hampshire Regiment Comrades Association,
Girl Guides
Conservative Association,
Patricia Culligan (Ukip PPC)
Wessex Blood Runners
Vale of Itchen Lodge Freemasons,
Churchill’s Club
Royal British Legion Riders Branch
Royal Naval Association
Lions Club of Eastleigh
Burma and Malaya Veterans
Ukip County Council Group

The service ended with a march past the Old Town Hall and included  motorcycle outriders, a pair of handsome horses from Paul Capper and vintage military vehicles.

The salute was taken by the Mayor of Eastleigh.

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  23 comments for “Eastleigh remembers the fallen

  1. wavatar
    Eastleigh Xpress
    November 14, 2014 at 6:31 pm

    If I have left out any organisations please get in touch.

  2. Graham Hunter
    November 15, 2014 at 8:57 am

    What a great turnout in memory of those who have fallen.
    We shall never forget them.

    We also had a good turnout in Botley. Again nice to see so many people pay their respects.

  3. November 15, 2014 at 3:51 pm

    All combatants from WW1 are now dead – there was no glory in that war – it was the greatest disaster in human history and we only serve their memory by hunting and destroying the causes.

    ‘Let us not forget that they gave their lives so that we can live our lives in peace and freedom’ – says the mayor

    nope they didn’t , they died for nothing , not even an inch of mud.

    and we have had no peace and little freedom

    http://www.dancarlin.com/hardcore-history-series/

    If you want to know as much as I do (or more perhaps) listen to dan carlin’s series – it totals about 10hrs of audio , part 4 is now available and I’m gonna listen this afternoon, and I can tell you I will be crying at points.

    SILENCE doesn’t do it for me and I don’t think it does it for them

    http://www.noglory.org/

  4. November 15, 2014 at 6:06 pm

    This post is excellent. Thank you for capturing the event in the film. I’ve shared your film in our Chandler’s Ford Remembrance Service post.

    • wavatar
      Eastleigh Xpress
      November 15, 2014 at 7:35 pm

      Many thanks for the embed Janet.

  5. Graham Hunter
    November 15, 2014 at 6:42 pm

    Rigel you are very cynical.
    Please respect the fallen and injured from ALL conflicts.
    We ALL owe it to them and their families.

  6. Graham Hunter
    November 15, 2014 at 6:44 pm

    Silence MEANS the silence of the guns.
    I say no more.

    • November 16, 2014 at 10:43 am

      what did the silence of the guns mean on the western front Graham ?

      • Graham Hunter
        November 16, 2014 at 11:31 am

        On the 11th Hour of the 11th Day of the 11 Month the Guns fell silent, signalling the end of WW1.
        This was the Armistace.
        Rememberance Sunday is for all those who have fallen in conflicts and those left behind.

  7. November 15, 2014 at 9:41 pm

    Anyone who puts Iraq or afgan in the same bracket as ww1 will get a 380mm shell from me , if you don’t know why ..ask…

    I have just listened to the part 4 linked above 3.5hrs and I am very emotional and disturbed and it’s probably my 3rd listen and I need to talk to people about it but people who understand – so if anyone can be bothered to learn any truth about it (you rarely get truth from the telly)

    in that podcast Jutland is this happy battle, just like the old days, because it comes between Verdun and the Somme

    All those boys stuffed in the meat grinder

    did you know on the first day of the Somme 20,000 british troops were killed – it took 20days of the normandy landings for UK and US casualties to get to that figure – and french/german/russian deaths were far greater than ours.

    If anyone can talk to me about rotting corpses with rats eating them and diarrhea and lice and white feathers and forests disappearing in an hour, and letters , and f scott fitzgerald, and how evil monarchies are and how xenophobia and nationalism had nothing to do with it…..

    • Hants
      November 16, 2014 at 12:58 am

      It’s not a competition for which wars were worse! The message about “xenophobia” sounds like a thinly veiled anti-ukip message; should not be politicising Remembrance. I went down to Pompey Guild Hall.

      • November 16, 2014 at 5:51 pm

        Well spotted Hants yes – of course it’s only as thinly veiled as UKIP is thinly veiled xenophobia ??

        Pre 1914 there was no border controls or passports anyone came here and stayed as long as they liked , if you survived the first generation without being dragged out of your bed and strung up by a savage mob you could reach the holy grail of englishness. There was no income tax , the country was solvent I do not see how the established wisdom is that they died to protect our freedom when we have lost most of our freedom ever since

        There was not any animosity between UK and Germany pre 1914 – some people worked very hard to create it, neither was there a great sympathy for nationalism as we know it today – lots of king and country , rugger and fearless gentlemen.

        The 19th century was a time of great advancement and hope , alas, it all went.

        There is only one great war , the first world war, the first mechanised war ,the first war fought by the nation not the army, the first war without any glory – all wars since are extensions of it , and tragically in 100yrs we have learnt little about it’s cause

        I want to talk about this

  8. November 16, 2014 at 8:38 pm

    Sorry , it was a test and a mean trick maybe , when the barrage ended and it went silent it meant the other side was starting an assault, over the top. In Verdun in1915 the Germans got smart , they stopped the barrage , all the french soldiers came out of the bunkers and manned their positions but the German artillery started up again , carnage.

    pointless slaughter, Graham……… for flags

    WW1 has not ended yet

  9. November 18, 2014 at 9:50 pm

    F. Scott Fitzgerald, Tender is the Night Chapter XIII, page 85, second paragraph.

    ‘Why, they’ve only just quit over in Turkey,’ said Abe. ‘And in Morocco—‘
    ‘That’s different. This western-front business couldn’t be done again, not for a long time. The young men think they could do it but they couldn’t. They could fight the first Marne again but not this. This took religion and years of plenty and tremendous sureties and the exact relation that existed between the classes. The Russians and Italians weren’t any good on this front. You had to have a whole-souled sentimental equipment going back further than you could remember. You had to remember Christmas, and postcards of the Crown Prince and his fiancée, and little cafés in Valence and beer gardens in Unter den Linden and weddings at the mairie, and going to the Derby, and your grandfather’s whiskers.’
    ‘General Grant invented this kind of battle at Petersburg in sixtyfive.’
    ‘No, he didn’t—he just invented mass butchery. This kind of battle was invented by Lewis Carroll and Jules Verne and whoever wrote Undine, and country deacons bowling and marraines in Marseilles and girls seduced in the back lanes of Wurtemburg and Westphalia. Why, this was a love battle—there was a century of middle-class love spent here. This was the last love battle.’

  10. November 18, 2014 at 10:48 pm

    No ! Please carry on, we are all listening.

  11. November 19, 2014 at 10:33 am

    OK – that quote makes me so sad ,the idea that the slaughter continued not because of hate , the evidence (xmas day football etc) tells us the tommy’s and the hun felt close to each other, closer to their enemies than their superiors. The world bloomed at the beginning of the 20th century , slavery had just ended , mechanisation interupted child labour humanity was lifting itself from the swamp of feudalism and it was all washed away, a Noah like flood of blood .

    To remember them as brave soldiers is wrong they were carpenters and clerks and men in love , musicians and cricketers and artists.

    We fail them if we do not keep digging into the tragedy , if a speck of what made it happen remains we must scrub it gone – I’m trying to do that here- we all lost so much and we don’t know it.

    How has monarchy survived ?- they were cousins, how can we respect edward 7th ?

  12. November 21, 2014 at 11:39 pm

    What was in the minds of those boys on the trains that lurched under our bridge , the smoky carriages , the shiny boots and the polished buttons, glory, yes to them war was cavalry charges, sabres drawn.

    But artillery had advanced so much , machine guns made cavalry charges into space invaders , horses were more valuable to heave supplies up to the front, the boys didn’t even have helmets and they were cut to pieces.

    they had no idea of the triple entente (i’m trying to confirm that ), they were told the germans were bayonetting babies in belgium , but they were not , to win the race of empires the state lied to them just as it lies to us today

    it wasn’t nationalism or xenophobia – it was the education into a belief of a cultural superiority , jingoism and the lies of their leaders.

    the leaders just wanted business as usual – and in 100years nothing much has changed apart from TV replacing christianity .

    the hegemony of propaganda may have started in 1914 and run on without question until now, in 2014 it has become the norm……
    entrenched you could say.

    9million died for lies ,

    its like a family story of great grandad blowing his foot off with a shotgun and us still pretending he knew exactly what he was doing and it was for the best………. it’s madness

    • Stephen Slominski
      November 22, 2014 at 10:03 am

      The Imperial German Army did commit atrocities against the Belgian civilian population.

      It was not a lie.

      http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Rape_of_Belgium

      “it wasn’t nationalism or xenophobia – it was the education into a belief of a cultural superiority , jingoism and the lies of their leaders.”

      No, it wasn’t that for the BEF- a force of regulars and reservists – it was out of a sense of duty, a concept hard to understand these days.

      “Theirs not to reason why, theirs but to do or die”

      And I think they were pragmatists – not jingoists nor glory hunters.

      They marched into war singing bawdy music hall songs not patriotic songs.

      I like the story of a boat load of the BEF marching through the disembarkation port singing “Hold yer hand out naughty boy” (doubtless directed at the Kaiser) completely stony faced while the local populace respectfully bared their heads thinking it was the national anthem.

      Another ditty popular with the Tommies, sung in the trenches to the tune of ‘Auld land syne’ with ironic resignation:

      “We’re ‘ere because we’re ‘ere because, we’re ‘ere because we’re ‘ere..
      we’re ‘ere because we’re ‘ere, because we’re ‘ere because we’re ‘ere.”

      They went to war because they were told to.

  13. November 23, 2014 at 9:51 am

    Firstly , this is not an argument folks ,and I am not trying to keep a dialogue going in this comments section in memory of the our dead ancestors. I am kicking this pebble down the street for the next generation , yes it will fall into the sewer or get lost in the verge. Lies that we do not confront and correct are inherited by our children.

    Thank you Stephen for getting involved , you are a good writer, I told you and I think you understand that the way our society ‘honors the fallen’ is all wrong – we have a day where we say ‘never forget’ and then everyone gets on with forgetting.History is not physics it’s messy , it’s muddy , it’s entrenched, and you dug with me.

    I like the songs the BEF sung, I can imagine they did just that, and your right that they went to France because they were told to, but whatever the source you must admit that they would not have sung those songs for long, and stories of the chirpy lads with the bulldog spirit served the warmonger higher-ups well, so lets make sure we imagine that choir horribly decimated as they no doubt were.

    Lies are my enemy and your wiki link has actually served to prove my point better than I could ever have hoped , I don’t know whether you read it all the way down because it does start to address the dubious nature of German atrocities in Belgium. Of course the German soldiers did loads of nasty stuff , definitely shot mayors et cetera Belgium was ‘neutral’ but they blew up their own rail lines and the Schleiffen plan needed those railways – wars don’t go to plan.

    We have the Bryce report into this very subject and until now I did not realize the parallels to more recent ‘sexed up dossiers’ I quote the second link below:

    Famous American lawyer Clarence Darrow was a skeptic of Bryce’s report and travelled to France in 1915 to find even a single eyewitness who could confirm just one of Bryce’s stories. He even offered a $1,000 reward to anyone who could produce a Belgian or French citizen whose hands had been amputated by a German soldier. Nobody came forward. Nor could anybody locate even one Belgian women supposedly made pregnant by German rape. In fact, in 1922, a Belgian commission of enquiry failed to corroborate a single major allegation contained in the report. Lord Ponsonby’s opinion following a post-war investigation into the accuracy of wartime atrocity stories could find little or no evidence that any of them had been true. Bryce had knowingly lied.

    After the war, Bryce’s “documentation” for the stories mysteriously disappeared. Although in 1936 Great Britain apologized to Germany over the lies contained in the Bryce Report, Bryce maintained his untarnished reputation as a respectable man.

    http://www.nationalarchives.gov.uk/pathways/firstworldwar/spotlights/alleged.htm

    http://www.holocaustianity.com/hysteria/cpi-propaganda.html

    The propaganda from WW1 still exists – that wiki page is wrong and it is indicative of our 100yr long national mudbath , please people lets wash off these lies,

    they still find live shells in the fields of France – and that wikipedia page is a live shell buried in our culture – if we do not dig it up and diffuse it our children inherit it.

    • November 24, 2014 at 8:15 pm

      The sheer point that you have been allowed to carry on with this charade proves to me that those brave souls died for the likes of you, only to defame their actions, and have your minute of fame! I would dearly like to continue this debate face to face, if you would show the dexterity shown by those that go before you!

      • November 25, 2014 at 6:49 pm

        would love to debate – you start it off , i’ve written plenty

  14. November 27, 2014 at 10:46 am

    Or face to face my number is 07969808247 and email is rigel_jenman@hotmail.com.

    you are still pushing those boys over the top brother
    my brave heroes are the conscientious objectors
    the world would be a better place if we had not gone to war 100yrs ago

  15. December 3, 2014 at 7:00 pm

    whydid the PPCs turn up? They don’t actually represent any one in Eastleigh? Seems like a shameless political move to me

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